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			07:50 am November 8th, 2004

estherchaya


	on journaling and poopy diapers
	Right. So I haven't updated in ages. And frankly, I'm so far behind in LJ right now I'm beginning to wonder if I oughtn't just give it up. On the other hand, I'd miss it. So I'm torn. Alas, I'm addicted, and there are plenty of you that I either don't know in real life or I don't talk to often enough to want to give up knowing about your lives via LJ. Maybe pruning my friends list is the answer...though I hate to do that because it's really nothing personal. Maybe friends filters? I might be too lazy for that. Sigh. Anyway, we have Julian full-time now. It's fun, but exhausting. Thank G-d for Seth. He's so great about taking over when I've had too much or need to get other things done. And he's really spectacular with Julian. So really, what more could I ask for? On Friday I got home around 2:30 and Julian was down for a nap. I asked Seth when he'd last checked Julian's diaper and he told me that he had to change his diaper around 2pm because it was, er, leaking. And it was a poopy diaper. So ick. No big deal of course. The diaper got changed and the munchkin still went down for a nap. "But," says Seth, "we might not want to put the pants back on Julian when he wakes up." blink "What do you mean we MIGHT not want to put the pants back on," I queried. "Well, I wasn't sure, so I left them off him to be safe." "Um, hello!?? Would you put poopy pants on YOURSELF?" "Well, no, of course not." "So why would you put poopy pants on a BABY?" "I don't know," he replies, "I just wasn't sure." "Honey, it's common sense!" "Well, it can't be common sense because I didn't know!" Sometimes, he is SUCH a guy. Our friend Jason pointed out that it really is a guy thing and that there's some sort of twisted guy logic that says...well, he spends so much time sitting in his own poop anyway, he probably won't care if he's wearing poopy pants. Um, yeah, but first of all, ew. And second of all...STINKY! Right. More later. Tags: julian, parenting, poopy diapers

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			Thread started by changing

From: geekosaur	Date: November 8th, 2004 08:49 am (UTC)		(Link)

1. Consider switching from regular LJ usage to an RSS reader pointed at http://www.livejournal.com/users/estherchaya/friends/rss so you can get quick summaries and click on anything you want a closer look at. With decent RSS aggregator software (many of my friends speak highly of NetNewsWire) it should make a busy friends list much more manageable.

2. Maybe I'm not "really" a guy, by that criterion.... :)

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:05 am (UTC)		(Link)

Good idea on number 1.

as for number 2... Seth is extremely fastidious about his own hygiene, which is mostly why it was so funny that he would even consider putting those pants back on Julian.

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			Thread started by Sister Goldberg, I presume?

From: cecerose	Date: November 8th, 2004 09:02 am (UTC)		(Link)
Hey...

Don't feel guilty about keeping up with everyone on LJ. Just be. Whether you decide to prune (you'd better keep me, darnit!) or use friendfilters -- do what's best for you. I understand. I'm quite addicted to this thing too, though I don't comment as much as I'd like.

I'm glad to hear that Seth is taking an active role with Julian. =0)

Sometimes, he is SUCH a guy. Our friend Jason pointed out that it really is a guy thing and that there's some sort of twisted guy logic that says...well, he spends so much time sitting in his own poop anyway, he probably won't care if he's wearing poopy pants. Um, yeah, but first of all, ew. And second of all...STINKY!

Uh yeah. I swear, it must be genetic!!!!

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:07 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Hey...

I'm not going to prune. I'm just not going to stress if I miss something.

Seth is taking a very active role with Julian. It's a beautiful thing. I love him!

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			Thread started by Daniel the California Highway Guy

	From: cahwyguy	Date: November 8th, 2004 09:08 am (UTC)		(Link)

First, it will get easier as you work up a pattern and cycle for the day and he gets used to it. Your LJ friends will understand the lessened frequency of your posts, and it can be a good support group of other parents to talk to get advice and shared sympathy. At least he isn't 2, 3, 4, ... 10 yet (S&F turns 10 on the 17th, where has the time gone).

So don't worry. Enjoy the little one, catch up with us when you can.
We'll be here.

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:08 am (UTC)		(Link)

Thanks. I appreciate your insight, as usual. I'm not going to do any pruning, but I probably will be a slacker about commenting for a while.

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			Thread started by the King of Domesticity

From: gittygiggles	Date: November 8th, 2004 10:09 am (UTC)		(Link)

what kind of diapers do you use that leak!?!? ew!!!!

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:09 am (UTC)		(Link)

they were pampers. It wasn't the diaper's fault. Sometimes if Julian is squirmy, Seth doesn't get the diaper secured well enough. He just needs more practice, that's all.

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From: gittygiggles	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:18 am (UTC)		(Link)

huggies are the best. and they have disney on them

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			Thread started by yermie

	From: yermie	Date: November 8th, 2004 10:18 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Numbers

(damn work connection ate the first reply.. let's try again..)
#1. I'm doing my part to help you here. I haven't posted in a month. See, you're already caught up for my journal...

#2: Yes, it's a guy thing. 2 reasons:
a. Guys have a different clean/ dirty scale. For you, it's either clean, or it's not. For us, it's a much more nuanced system. For example, you get up to feed the dogs. You put on a t-shirt & jeans, walk outside for about 15 minutes, then take them back off & go back to bed. Are they still clean? (yes)

Another example: You have some friends coming over. You put on some clothes, and spend the evening (3-4 hours) sitting in your house chatting / eating / watching a movie / etc. After they leave, you go to bed. Are your clothes still clean? (yes)

Example 3 (and then I'll change topics, I swear): You are working around the house all day, then that night, you realize that your shirt was inside out the whole time, and you didn't notice. Is it still clean? (yes)

option 2b: Guys hate unneccesary work. We're lazy. It happens. So, the thought process is this: Baby's poop. If baby is wearing pants, poop gets in the pants. This is a "bad thing[tm]". I then have to clean the baby, change the diaper, and re-dress the baby. If I put clean pants on the baby, he's going to poop in them too. Then I'll have 2 pairs of pooped pants, rather than just 1. If I put the same pooped pants back on the baby, then I've eliminated 50% of the work. And besides, the kid'll never know the difference...

Or maybe your husband has been kidnapped by aliens, and replaced with an alien controlled clone. In which case, I have to say, "Take us with you!!!"

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	From: cellio	Date: November 8th, 2004 10:32 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

I'm a woman and I grok nuanced cleanliness. I have a buffer for "clean enough to wear again". (So I don't put clothes back in the dresser if I've worn them, but I don't necessarily put them in the laundry right away either.)

For 2b, it seems that the obvious answer would be "why put pants on this kid at all?" Chances are that the bedding got soiled anyway, so what did the pants help? Now if you're talking about tight-fitting non-porous pants, that's different -- but guys don't get to make the purchasing decisions at BabyLand, so you'll never see 'em for sale.

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	From: yermie	Date: November 8th, 2004 11:22 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

"Why put pants on this kid at all?"

Simple, pants are easier to change / clean than the house / crib / etc. It's a simple matter of containment. It's nasty, but the only area getting poo'd is contained inside the pants. If no pants, then there'd be poo everywhere.

Another case where in order to be truly lazy, you have to work a little. (c.f.: "The Man Who Was Too Lazy to Fail" - R.A.H.)

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	From: cellio	Date: November 8th, 2004 11:43 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

If the pants achieve containment, I agree with you. I somehow had the impression that this hadn't happened and that there was soak-through, in which case the pants were perhaps a filter but not a blocker.

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:10 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

Julian was not in bed when the leakage happened. The DIAPER is what leaked, not the pants. Had he not been wearing pants, actually, there would have been MORE mess, because the pants absorb the mess, instead of leaving it to be rubbed off on my furniture.

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	From: jeannegrrl	Date: November 8th, 2004 02:57 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

Not only that, but in the winter time, it can get mighty chilly and we wouldn't want poopsicles. ;-)

BTW, this thread seems like as good a place as any to share my favorite terms for what Seth experienced ('cause goodness knows we had more than our fair share of these with Jacob - yet another reason to LOVE EC Anyway, here goes:

Poopy Pants
Leaky Legs
Containment Failure
(and my personal favorite)
Hull Breach

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:11 am (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Numbers

Not a chance in hell we're going to even consider EC for this kid. He's got enough changes in his life right now.

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	From: caryabend	Date: November 8th, 2004 01:21 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Icky.

And you've seen me do this exactly how many times?

Right. Thought so.

Remember that "dirty" is conductive. If I turn my underwear inside out, then if the insides were dirty before, now my pants are too. No thanks.

:)

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			Thread started by stronger than she thinks

	From: hopeness	Date: November 8th, 2004 03:32 pm (UTC)		(Link)

First of all, I'm so excited for you. Please don't feel Livejournal guilt. And please don't feel the need make a friends cut (or at least keep me around!).
Your poopy diaper story reminded me of something I joke about with

caliban18. One of his summer jobs once was working in a daycamp with toddlers. I tell him he is probably one of the only guys out there who knows what happens to a disposable diaper in a swimming pool.

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:15 am (UTC)		(Link)

Thanks. I'm excited. I'm not pruning my friends list. I never have and I feel weird about doing it.

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			Thread started by Lori

	From: indigodove	Date: November 8th, 2004 05:15 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Glad to hear Julian is with you full time. I'll keep you both in my prayers as you adjust -- I'm sure it's huge, even though you had him over before.

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:16 am (UTC)		(Link)

He's great, but yes, it is a huge adjustment. Probably more for us than for him!

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			Thread started by Glen Barnett

	From: glenbarnett	Date: November 8th, 2004 10:39 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Just in case you feel the need to prune, I want to make it clear right now that I will take no offense whatever if you prune me. Nor will I be offended if you don't.

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	From: estherchaya	Date: November 9th, 2004 07:16 am (UTC)		(Link)

absolutely not. You have to be on my friends list! Who else am I going to torment with ignorant statistics and probability questions?

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