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Gah!

I wrote a very articulate and scathing post about Georgia's proposed bill on restricting the number of embryos transferred and created in an IVF cycle.

But then I went to copy the post to my clipboard before posting it just in case anything happened to it while posting it and a slip of the keyboard erased the entire post.

Suffice it to say, I was brilliant. And I might re-write the post later, but, um... not now.

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allah_sulu From: allah_sulu Date: March 5th, 2009 12:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
What were you writing it in? That happens to me every now and then, but you can sometimes bring it back with a CTRL-Z (undo).
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: March 5th, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I tried control-Z. No dice.
allah_sulu From: allah_sulu Date: March 5th, 2009 01:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm sorry.

That's why I wrote my own editor, because every single other one I've used has cheesed me off at one time or another. At least if my own editor blows up in my face, I have no one to blame but myself.
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: March 5th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not *quite* as cool as you. I can't write my own editor.
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estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: March 5th, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't condone any bill that legislates what I believe needs to be a discretionary medical decision. But if it ONLY limited the number of embryos to be transferred in an IVF cycle, I'd brush it off as stupid, idiotic, moronic effed-up politicians who don't know what they're talking about.

Instead, the bill FURTHER limits the number of embryos that can be CREATED in an IVF cycle. That means only two eggs would be fertilized per cycle (for a woman under 40). This means that every cycle would require ICSI for best chances at even HAVING two embryos, btw. Which increases costs by about $5K per cycle. Did I mention that Georgia doesn't have mandated insurance coverage for IVF? And then there's the attrition rate for embryos in an IVF cycle. So many women won't even make it to transfer.

Yes, you can freeze eggs now (a relatively new advancement), but eggs don't survive the cryopreservation process at the same rate that embryos do. So if you don't have either of your 2 embryos make it to transfer, you've lost a shitload of money, and then IF you can afford it, you have to thaw two eggs, hope they make it through the thaw, if they don't, thaw two more, and so on. Then you have to hope you can make two embryos out of them, and hope that those two embryos make it to transfer and so on.

Italy has the same policy - only make as many embryos as you're going to transfer.

Italy has the lowest IVF success rates in the world.

Italy is a Catholic country, and I don't live there, so I don't give a crap how they legislate. I live in a separation of church and state country, so I DO give a crap how this country legislates.

Nadya Suleman was the ABERRATION. Legislating against the anomaly is a great tradition in the country, but it's stupid. Nadya Suleman had the first set of octuplets EVER conceived via IVF. The last set of live-born octuplets (of which only 7 survived) were conceived via IUI ten years ago. Legislating against something that never ever happens in this industry is goddamned insulting.
allah_sulu From: allah_sulu Date: March 5th, 2009 01:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Legislating against the anomaly is a great tradition in the country, but it's stupid.

Just had to repeat that because it's so true. This is one of those cases where politicians make bad laws in response to an individual incident without giving sufficient thought to the wider implications. Unfortunately, it happens all of the time; sometimes (but not always) without any malicious intent but simply because a certain incident makes people feel the need to "do something".

However, it's still true that the government that governs least, governs best. (Thomas Jefferson, IIRC)
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childlight From: childlight Date: March 5th, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
"The last set of live-born octuplets (of which only 7 survived) were conceived via IUI ten years ago"

wow i did not know that.
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: March 5th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's an important point that many people seem to be missing. Octuplets simply don't happen. Nadya Suleman's doctor is an idiot. And he's the exception and probably won't be in business much longer, if he even still is. Out of about 500 clinics in the country, his success rates are abysmally low - in the lowest TEN in the country. Why he even had any business in the first place is BEYOND me.
journeytoernie From: journeytoernie Date: March 5th, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
you can always do control Z....that's the undo button. sometimes i do that as well and delete an entire thing after i try to copy it to the clip board.

though i'm sure you already know that.

when and if you rewrite it, make sure you really explain what it is in short simple words for non techno people like me :)
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: March 5th, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I did control-z
journeytoernie From: journeytoernie Date: March 5th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
oh :( sorry :(
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