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Ten Year Plan in Jeopardy - Karen's Musings
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Ten Year Plan in Jeopardy
I think my tenuous ten year plan to move to the UK is in jeopardy.  It's a pretty frickin' involved process for Seth to become a registered pharmacist in the UK.  It would have been easier if he'd gone right after pharmacy school. 

First, he'd have to travel to the UK to take an English proficiency exam.  
Then, he'd have to submit an application for consideration of his academic record.  The application fee is about the equivalent of $1100.   If his application does not satisfy the adjudication committee (who will review it essentially to determine whether his academic course of study is equivalent to a UK Pharmacists' course of study), he may be invited to travel for a formal interview.  The interview fee is an additional $1100 (give or take).  

Assuming that his academic record is satisfactory (which is likely), he would then have to undergo a 12 month Overseas Pharmacist Assessment Program (OSPAP) in the UK and pass exams in each of the elements covered in the 12 month program.  The fee for the OSPAP varies depending on which university you go to for this program.  Also consider the need for living expenses while in the UK for the OSPAP.

IF he passes all elements of the OSPAP, he must then undergo a 12 month Pre-Registration Training (internship) at a hospital or community pharmacy.  

Only then can he sit for the registration exam (like the  Pharmacy Boards in the US).  I forget what the registration exam fee is, but it's probably another $1100, give or take.  He may take the registration exam up to three times.

One may ONLY sit for the registration exam after completing OSPAP and 45 weeks of the 52 week pre-registration training.

Hrm.  I'm beginning to think it just isn't feasible.  How would we live while he went through two years of assessments, during which he could not be employed full time?  And how would I manage to find a job, given that my expertise revolves around the US Federal gov't?

Clearly, I'm going to have to consider alternative forms of employment.  Jobs that actually have decent salaries...that's the problem.    I think I'm going to have to go become an  ISO expert.  Crap.

Current Mood: anxious anxious

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From: have_inner_lady Date: May 31st, 2006 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sheesh, 1100 is the magical number for them.
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: May 31st, 2006 04:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
well, it's not exactly $1100. It's 598 GBP, but I don't know how to make the pound sign on an American keyboard. At today's exchange rate, it comes out to $1124 and change.
allah_sulu From: allah_sulu Date: May 31st, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know how to make the pound sign on an American keyboard.

One way to get the £ is £
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estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: May 31st, 2006 04:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Pardon me, I'm choking on a piece of mango. I'm afraid you've mixed me up. Joel is leahmiriam's husband.

Salary/Job opportunities for pharmacists here in the US are tremendous for Seth. I suspect that there might be fewer opportunities in the UK, but I'm still trying to figure that out (here in the US we are still experiencing a pharmacist shortage).

Re: me... There are a number of applications for what I do in an international arena, but I'd have to work over the next few years to gain applicable experience.

The bitch of it is that I'm a UK Citizen so getting a work permit for me is not a problem, though there is the question of what kind of job to get. With Seth... he could actually go through the first part of the process ($1100) and still not be able to obtain a work permit down the line.

As for the internship, I'm sure it's compensated time... at an intern's salary.
cahwyguy From: cahwyguy Date: May 31st, 2006 04:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Note that, if you're a UK Citizen, that makes it easy to translate your expertise to working for the UK government. You could either work in the evaluation/validation (called certification out there) community; see http://www.cesg.gov.uk/site/iacs/index.cfm?menuSelected=1&displayPage=1. You might also consider working for some coalition programs that have the US and UK working together. I'm aware of quite a few satellite programs like that. Note that you might be able to work for a US company on detachment to the UK.
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arosoff From: arosoff Date: May 31st, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
The UK is notorious for making it difficult for overseas [non-EEA] medical professionals (other than nurses because there's such a shortage, agencies practically specialise in getting nurses into the NHS). They do the same thing to doctors, and a lot of them get stuck on the NHS career ladder. A lot of immigrant and refugee doctors are unable to practice because they can't afford the fees for the tests and registration.
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zis770 From: zis770 Date: May 31st, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm confused. If there's a shortage, shouldn't they be making things easier for people not harder?
arosoff From: arosoff Date: June 1st, 2006 12:21 am (UTC) (Link)
no, the shortage is of nurses, which is why they seem to make it easier for them to come over. For doctors, it used to be not too bad if they had the money, though they'd get stuck in the system (there's a whole NHS hierarchy just like in academia; effectively, they couldn't get tenure-track positions).

A friend of my sister's is an OT, and she found that qualifying to work for the UK for 3 years while her husband was posted in London simply wasn't worth it.

The NHS is an absolutely massive bureaucracy. It's one of the largest employers in the world (3rd or 5th depending on who's doing the ranking). Its internal workings don't have to make any sense. :)
zis770 From: zis770 Date: June 1st, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing up the confusion. Are you better off at least for doctors if they're privatized?
cahwyguy From: cahwyguy Date: May 31st, 2006 04:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Leverage your government expertise to become an evaluator (I can give you the names of CCTLs) or validator (come to work for us; offices in Columbia) against the Common Criteria. Then, when you go across the pond, see if you can go to work for one of the British labs (I do have some contacts) or the British oversight body.
estherchaya From: estherchaya Date: May 31st, 2006 04:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
see? You're full of great ideas! I, um, think I'll wait a year or three before coming to work for you guys in Columbia, though. Only because, you know, I've been in three different positions in the last year.

Wow. I had no idea I'd get actual, practical advice from this whiny post of mine! :-D You continue to amaze and astound.
cahwyguy From: cahwyguy Date: May 31st, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Let me know. Working for us you could work in multiple areas (and I might get a referral bonus). If you want to do validations (oversite), there are also folks who do it in the McLean area (MITRE, Mitretek).

If you want to do evaluations, there are numerous labs. SAIC is the 800-lb gorilla, but there are also folks like Cygnacom, Cable and Wireless, Booz Allen Hamilton, etc. You can find a full list at http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/testing_labs.html.
From: bodnej Date: May 31st, 2006 04:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Gainful employment

How about a job shipping things back and forth between the UK and US? Real Mars bars for Americans, and real toothpaste for Brits?
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From: bodnej Date: June 1st, 2006 11:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Gainful employment

Donations to support Karen and Seth's Excellent Adventure can be made out to the Human Fund...
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From: cecerose Date: May 31st, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ugh...what a dilemna.

Have you considered working for the US Govt in the UK (or abroad in general)? Perhaps Seth could? I'm sure they'd kill for a pharamcist.

Just my two cents.
mindycl From: mindycl Date: May 31st, 2006 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
yeah it's pretty insane. bloody england! ;)
osewalrus From: osewalrus Date: June 1st, 2006 03:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Is it stupid to ask?

Why you want to move to England?
hannahsarah From: hannahsarah Date: June 1st, 2006 07:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Whereabouts in England?

G-d willing, I may be living in Golders Green next year. We could be neighbors!

mysticchyna From: mysticchyna Date: June 1st, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
yikes...that does sound involved. dang it. ...well, you never know...it could happen.
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